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Greeley Miklashek, MD's avatar

Geez, Michael, at 79, Long COVID and Prostate cancer survivor, and living in Trampsilvania in small town SE Ohio, my demonstration days are over, but I believe that much of our angst may be misdirected anyway. New James Hansen paper just published showing 0.4 degC global surface temp increase in the past 2 yrs., so 0.2 degC EVERY YEAR NOW, and we may reach an intolerable 3 degC increase by 2032 at this rate. All of the Circus Clown in Chief's shenanigans aside, as distracting as they are, the billionaire class and the DOD, among others in the know, are busy making survival plans ("prepping") while the rest of us are distracted. Tramp and the Muskrat are trashing the federal government to rake-in every last nickel from us before we wake the hell up and realize we've already fallen off the climate collapse cliff. Have a blessed day! Gregg

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Michael Campi's avatar

This is an issue that is under the umbrella of environmental collapse. While ultimately the destruction of the environment is going to get us there are all sorts of things beneath that umbrella that affect people generally in their everyday life while those of us who are aware watch the planet degrade.

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Mike Meyer's avatar

Protests will accomplish nothing as they only work in representational governments. That was finally given completely away in November. Empty threats will be laughed at and ignored. Trump is a coward who will run away but Musk is a rogue with nothing to lose.

The elimination of the federal workforce, thousands are accepting the buyout which may never come but they are gone, are the force we need. Honest judges can issue orders but who will enforce them?

Think about it.

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Cindy's avatar

r/50501 If you can't be there on 2/5 stick with the group, as if you further read the text of the site, they are reaching new members on different platforms now for future action and current actions. Growth in progress

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Terrance Ó Domhnaill's avatar

And that is the existential question. How far are people willing to go to make meaningful changes?

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Elaine Rhodes's avatar

How far? Pretty darn far! As far as electing Trump/Musk. And they are getting meaningful changes. Terrible ones, but undeniably meaningful.

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Jan Steinman's avatar

There is a darker side to this than the emptiness of protests without action behind them.

One need only look to England for what happens in a modern liberal "democracy" when you so much as "conspire" to back up your words with action.

Extinction Rebellion co-founder Roger Hallam is in jail for five years for "conspiracy to cause a public nuisance" — not even for actually *causing* a "public nuisance"!

Specifically, he took part in a Zoom call among people who later closed down a major highway. Note that he was not one of the actual protesters, of which 19 were arrested.

Silly Merkins will point to their "Constitution" and say, "That could never happen here!" or "That's why we fought them for our freedom!"

Look at the White House and tell me about your beloved "Constitution" as it stand today.

When they come for you for conspiring to act, your useless Second Amendment will only make it easier for them to kill you, instead of throwing you in prison. Let them so much as see you with a gun, and BANG! — their problem is permanently solved.

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Michael Campi's avatar

I imagine there will be a lot more of this as the great deterioration continues.

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Jan Steinman's avatar

Substack seriously needs a "sad face" vote option.

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Michael Campi's avatar

I think a sad face option is long overdue.

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